several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.
i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.
indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.
Viviane: For instance, if someone said 2+2=4...
Why can't religious people simply say "I don't know"? What is wrong with that level of honesty?
Most people consider themselves honest as long as they refuse to acknowledge they're lying. Its the admission of being wrong that they consider dishonest.
In the same way, as long as they never admit they're being cruel, they consider themselves loving.
i profess to teach the truth to you all and get you to all to think and believe.
believing in christ through his words and not through evil religious cults, like hoj and jw, can and will save you.
do you all realize that every time you are victorious and receive something of value through your hard work and sweat, it was our holy god who blessed you.
If all the believers cant agree on a single truth, why should the non-believers listen?
Once all the believers follow one faith, I will listen to what they decided.
Until then, it just feels like random crazy people screaming their version of madness.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/04/13/how-christians-think-they-can-convert-atheists-according-to-wikihow/.
this article is pure pleasure.
i thought at first it was a joke, but apparently not.
Pope Stephen Fry blesses Jesus Toast and bacon.
i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .
we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .
i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .
If you stand before GOD and point your finger at him , well that is between you and God .
I will stand before all men and all gods and say killing children is wrong.
I wouldn't want to put myself in such a position ,
Since you refuse to acknowledge that killing children is wrong in all circumstance, we will never agree.
Because I value humanity and have natural empathy, I will never accept or respect your morally empty rantings.
i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .
we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .
i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .
william draper: women and male children were taken captive and later killed under the order of Moses , in the previous chapter it speaks of these people as having acted wickedly against the Israelites
Ok, so your personal morality says killing children is ethical under certain conditions. For example, if their parents don't agree with you.
I consider that a morally vulgar position. My personal morality says killing children is wrong under all circumstances.
the worship of Baal involved child sacrifice I believe
So your religion killing children is justified as long as their religion killed children first.
Wouldn't a good, loving god simply not kill the children? Wouldn't a decent person not kill the children?
i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .
we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .
i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .
Decent people are horrified at what the Bible calls ethics.
Narcissist use the Bible as imaginary authority.
i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .
we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .
i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .
Draper's point is not about the legitimacy or virtue of the Bible. Draper's point is that we were fooled by false teachers.
In the first sentences of the OP, he states that "ones do not have the right perspective" and "We have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant."
He is discussing the quality of the teachers, not the validity of the Bible.
This thread is just Draper claiming to be the true teacher and that we should listen to Draper. He made the point (intentionally or unintentionally) that we were fooled by false teachers and that he can lead us to the truth about the Bible.
It all seems too familiar.
i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .
opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.
the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.
"Jehovah directed his organization to not protect our children from pedophiles"
They're all are rapists.
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
"The plural of anecdote is not data, the plural of opinion is not fact." - Susan Fiske
i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.
you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!
what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.
Ding: The elders I know personally seem to have been selected based on their willingness to swallow whatever the organization tells them and on their ability to forget all about teachings and practices they used to push
There is only one virtue to JWs: doing what you're told.
If you do what you're told, you're called spiritual.
All good personal traits are considered symptoms of doing what you're told. The individual is never given credit for their own actions, the credit is always given to following the rules.
